Alan, a 50-year-old married father of two children and a CVS technician, was taken into custody Friday and charged with two counts of manslaughter for the mysterious murders in Delphi. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Could be something more nefarious. Updated: 17:37 ET, Nov 29 2022 A BULLET found near the bodies of murdered teens Libby German and Abigail Williams tied suspect Richard Allen to the horrific killings, according to new court documents. You write an article saying some guys not involved, and you get swamped with threats to track and hunt you down? It is an open case so anything else you want to know look and maybe you will find. I have no idea why shes doing this, but its not because she killed her own sister. I read most of those posts over there and of course I read any post about me. Were you a member of the private group? I think this whole crime scene was severely compromised but still doable So, the girls were found on RLs property. But I see the home is raised. Of course she did. They act like Im sort of deranged psychopathic maniac whos a danger to women and children. and that he was likely familiar with the Monon High Bridge. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. But know, this is deliberate. What makes even less sense to me are some of the things that they have said or at least have not challenged as not being factual. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings, which police continue to investigate. There are neighbors separated by acreage. Fact that the FBI was instantly involved would be because they have the expertise to "read" such a crime scene. Police still have not released their causes of death. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. Also how about this? However, I do not believe it was sexually motivated, but believe theres potential for multiple motives. On February 13, 2017, Libby and Abby took a hiking trip at the abandoned Monon High Bridge, in an outing that was only meant to be for a few hours. And possibly even other rapes and homicides. One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. Yes, that is what I referred to; i.e. Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. Delphi, Indiana from at least 1984-2021. Delphi Murders Update April 13, 2021: Stunning Rumors about the Murders and Related Matters Now Officially Proven! They also think you get that way from your upbringing, especially with your father. On March 5 th ,1987 Shirley Bailey went to visit her . Is Mr X part of any of the local groups working on promoting the trail system? Indiana State Police said in February they knew who killed the girls, but that they had insufficient evidence to make an arrest. How do I do this? Long, 22 pages. That makes no sense. https://beyondhighbrow.com/2021/04/04/delphi-murders-update-april-4-2021/. Missing for 2 years at the age of 5 and reported 2 years later out of Manchester, NH. That would mean he would have had to drive back to Delphi by at least 3:45 and possibly later, depending on what town he was in and when he left. You mentioned that the police are allowed to lie to the public. I would think a crime like this would occur and the perpetrator would be gone. How do they know he sent audio/video to one of the girls phones? There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (don't remember which group). The idea that a gag order was issued on this truck is an unconfirmed rumor. This man deserves to be caught and get death penalty. Indiana State Police and the. It was posted to Facebook by Allen's wife Kathy, 50, in 2018 - just over a year after the girls disappeared in February 2017, although it's unclear when the photo was taken. However, we presently lack evidence that Mr. X worked at Indiana Packers. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the shows founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesdays Crime Stories to discuss the case. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. . Find these clothes, they will be what solves this! Are you serious? Police cleared nations as a suspect. At 13 and 14 the cycles are messed up bad. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. LE has no clue what is going on. Robert, I believe Mr. X has an ex-wife. Or wet sneaker. And two girls were abducted there also. This has helped me a lot. Until then, the enemies will keep attacking. Hello, i live in cedar rapids , ia. The shocking new details about the murders that have rocked the community of Delphi, Indiana, for more than five years came to light in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent. I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. River searched near home of man police say posed . The documents, filed in 2020 and heavily redacted, do not mention the murders of Libby and Abby and he has not been accused of involvement in their deaths. He was one of the original witnesses who saw BG and gave a description. DELPHI FBI Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. A post from the horrible r/LibbyandAbby slime hole on Reddit. Libby and Abby went missing on 13 February 2017 after they set off on a hike along the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. Conceivably, perhaps ~10% of men might have those nine markers. They hiked on to the the abandoned and somewhat dangerous Monon High rail Bridge, over Deer Creek. He had his keys with him, so why didnt he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldnt because he had lost his keys? Empiricism is a thing. He has connections with current LE officers. Im not sure how he got there, if he drove a car, or if so, where he parked it. This lines up nicely with Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said that BG used binoculars in this crime. I do not know why RRB is? The male model whose photos were used has been identified and is not a person of interest in the case, investigators said. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. You want me to put it up? The Evansdale crime was committed on 7-13-12, and the Delphi crime was committed on 2-13-17. Logistical occupations, Construction workers etc who travel have free reign. Fondled similarly to Libby. The only reason his wife would be coming to the site to retrieve his keys is if he lost his keys and she was coming to deliver a spare set. Investigators believe the man is the killer. With less than 3,000 residents, Delphi is a town where everyone knows one another, and the murders have greatly affected many locals. Thanks for all the info much appreciated. And sickeningly, the murderer 'staged' the girls' bodies in a particular way after killing them, although it remains unclear exactly how he did this. It is important to note that the validity of the text messages has not and cannot be corroborated at this time. The reason why I didnt send the letter was because I was moving across country and strongly felt as though law enforcement would not take my views seriously. Indiana Packers workboots go up to knee-high, and they are waterproof. Despite a lack of evidence, investigators have not given up hope that they have caught the suspect. So you try to make it look like theres an accident. However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? The girls' bloodied bodies were found about a half mile from the bridge. Good ones and bad ones, perhaps, but theres no such thing as legitimate versus illegitimate. You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. Is there any meaning to these numbers or is he just playing sneaky, tricky games with us like these guys often do. No one knows if he did this crime or not. Article: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. I have the images but Im not sure they are accurate. The 2017 murder of Abby and Libby became notorious after investigators released chilling footage the girls recorded of a man following and approaching them across the Manon High Bridge. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. This is simply because Ive dared to question if its possible that he was involved in any capacity or if its possible that he made misleading statements. Always. RL couldnt have done it because he was violating the terms of his probation and was caught on camera drinking in a pizza parlor. So, yes, although the Evansdale girls were mere skeletons when found, LE believes they were posed. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. On the day of the murders, he was wearing a blue jacket and jeans. What did Ron Logan have to say about the BG photo? Remember that they came out with a pair of boots? Because it doesnt matter whether I think hes guilty or not. Thank you so much for this excellent comment, Jennifer! Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives or hatchets, his preferred weapon. Not sure if its Tennessee, or Texas? Best of all, much of our information is via solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. A .40-caliber unspent round was found less than 2 feet away from one of the girls' bodies, and that unspent round went through a gun that Allen owns, according to the probable cause affidavit. Which of them is LEs chief suspect? Horrible. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. The only way they could know this is if the rumors about BG sending photos or video of the crime to Abbys phone after the crime occurred are true. Is there any way on Earth that BG could look like the young man in that sketch or even an 18-40 year old? Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. Pretty soon these fucking machines that are dumber than rocks are going to be making all sorts of unappealable decisions about our lives because the capitalists are too greedy to hire a real human to do the job, so they buy a machine instead. Robert, I am wondering why no reply to my question? I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. A lot of my friends didnt join. In the years since Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, there have been no arrests. Both investigators were women. On Feb. 13, 2017, the two best If he had those objects found at the crime scene in his truck, he could have easily carried them down to the crime scene and used them to stage it with the objects. Lets hope they find some peace. What are those supposed Delphi Murders leaked text messages about? 10) Regarding crime scene: Red herrings to throw off law enforcement. It is on the girls cellphones, but if you listen to it, you will just hear a bunch of unintelligible garble. However, there are some good posters, especially on r/LibbyandAbby. These are the only claims that people can hold us to because with all the rest, we openly admit that the claims are Unverified, so we should not be held to any of those claims. The rumor is that his alibi is a Delphi police officer, Nate Allen, who committed suicide in December. Do have any knowledge the workers from Indiana who were transferred over there in 2011-2012, which plant they came from Indiana and which plant they came to work on in Evansdale? How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? Please do not share any sources that discuss the origin of the rumor and stick to the topic of the post. Faked to make it look like he could not possibly have committed the crime because he was more devastated than anyone else. Thanks. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. So Mr. X did not ask him to search for his keys, he was officially asking to search for the girls according to ol Ronny boy. We currently feel that this is the best explanation of the facts. Thing is, we cant figure out if it is a crumpled piece of paper, dried leaves, a stuffed toy, or a doll. The incident was nicknamed the "Snapchat Murders" after Abby took a photo of Libby at around 2:17 p.m. and put it on social media. Aside from the sketches released, authorities have indicated that the killer left behind physical evidence. This is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 PM on the day of the murders, a full hour before BG probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 PM, saw a man who looked like the Young BG sketch. Here's the Update in His Case. I have an official case document here in my hand. Neither Brittany nor Kathy is suspected of having any connection to the killings, and there's no suggestion either woman knew of Allen's alleged links to the murders. LE asked him to move the vehicle. He has pleaded not guilty to the charges. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. I do not want to see this man or his family harassed in any way. Photo Page - Delphi Homicides. Interestingly, I had NO idea who you were (sorry). Based on investigators experience it is reasonable to believe that the creation of an alibi prior to the discovery of a crime indicates culpability or knowledge of the crime, the agent wrote. A serial killer has a narcissistic personality and will not be able to cope with so many opinions that are different from his, such as on a forum. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. We dont do that on here and never have. Suspect: Ok, you got me. This family member may maintain a different surname, by generation, but they are in fact, related! Copyright 2023 Distractify. In September of 2020, messages began circulating online that were allegedly between the man who found the girls' bodies and his friend. I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He was charged with child molestation, and was linked to the Delphi murders because of his strong resemblance to the man in the Delphi video, and a preliminary police sketch investigators had circulated of the suspect. LE still has access to the conviction. My background is nowhere near close to any qualifications for this. Detectives continue to ask anyone who may have had contact with the screen name anthony_shots to contact law enforcement at abbyandlibbytip@cacoshrf.comor 765-822-3535. The LE source didnt work on the case. Yes it is all speculation. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Must be a lot of people with that name. The killer in the unsolved Delphi murders is believed to have moved and staged the victims bodies and taken a souvenir from their 2017 slayings, according to newly-surfaced police documents. Get real. Its a dead end. Via LE Source A, we have learned that in both crimes: The following are unverified rumors with at least some probability of being true: Indiana LE did not validate the rumors about some aspects of the crime scene such as: This is probably one of the flat-out weirdest aspects of the case of all. The one thing I cannot do is help him get away with his crimes, that is, be an accessory. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. If this did happen, then they wouldn't have been able to tell if Abby was posed. Back to the POI, in February 2017, he lived next door to the cemetery which makes his actions and ruse around his truck & keys even more suspicious, if that is possible. The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. For more than five years, the families of the two girls have been searching for answers as to what happened and who was responsible for their murders. The only thing I can think of is it was too gruesome, in their mind, to release," Garrett said. One daughter, estranged. So the stellar members of LE have RL arrested and sent to jail all the while knowing he couldnt have committed this crime but doing NOTHING to stop the entire community from believing, first, that RL was a main suspect in the case,, and second, believing that he was in jail because he was a suspect! He was living in the Evansdale area at the time. That is all it can possibly be. Senior high school: First years unknown but graduated from Delphi High School in 1984-85. A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. Sure hes a greedy businessman, but I doubt if hes that greedy. Twice they were wrong. It was dusty and disheveled. Corn fields? If anyone else is involved they know who it is. The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. This makes absolutely no sense at all. Two people appear to be conflated here in your article as Mr. X. Hi folks. Kelsi German has been cleared. However, smudged prints are of very dubious value. Keep perusing to discover what the supposed Delphi Murders leaked text messages are about. Ive used that a thousand times, especially when there are two or more suspects in adjacent interrogation rooms. See? But who was his roomate in evansdale in the hotel they stayed in? Kegan Kline, 27, of Peru, Indiana, was also named as a suspect in the murders. May have worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logansport, Indiana and sister facility in Waterloo, Iowa in 2011-2012. We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. is that creepy guy still following us?. He took it with him in some sort of hunting pack? David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. Yes, the police have told us that they now think that Bridge Guy or Mr. X did Evansdale too. I was never aware that anyone had any good evidence against this harmless-looking fellow. If u could see one, u could see the other. You just dont know what a person is capable of. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. We would say it is low. Thats a full 18 hours. The Hanish & Bowen case have revealed this for them (thus the new direction & young BG sketch & ditching of old BG sketch in 2019 a month after Hanish)I bet Hanish was catfished using that Anthony_Shots account toohe mustve been told or overheard info about the Delphi murders & therefore removedBowen removed for either the same thing or fact she knew the truth behind Hanish murder (b/c I definitely am not buying that Kirts is bisexual & choked him out during a weird sexcapade, gimme a break). He prefers whiskey, its his drink of choice and hes off without it. Could be to cover their own asses. And I happen to be trained as a Journalist. This proves more of Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said BG sent photos or video to one of the girls phones after the crime. He was very fearful and it really hit him hard how he got treated on that Reddit sub. The main suspect according to police is a man whose name rhymes with Fat Clown. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! Allen "has been consistent" in police interviews over the years, former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett said. The version of the suspect sketch in the image was not released until April 2019, so the photo would have been taken at least two years after the murders. There is endless silly speculation in the comments about BG I think BG was a teenagerWhat if BG escaped on a hand glider?What if BG is dead?What if BG escaped to a deserted island where he now renamed himself Lord Jim and is now king of the savages?What if BG is really a woman in drag?What if BG is Mafia hitman?Bla bla bla bla.. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them. If you wish to join, please go here. I didnt remove it. I am friends with one of the parents and to my knowledge, no one has been told if this was sexual or not, only people have speculated. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. movements and events. 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. I dont know if the bridge was within eyeshot of the spot where the girls were found. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Some people are very insistent that Ron Logan is the killer. You dont have LE sources. That leads me, and others more knowledgeable than me, that there was SOMETHING with the bodies (possibly posed)that local LE thought there could be a serial killer. Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. Hasnt he suffered enough? Theres no evidence that either man has been to the bridge even one time! Of course they would look for that. Thanks. DELPHI, Ind. You came over here after sitting over of that hate Reddit, LibbyandAbby where youve been hating on me. BG is a 50 year old man. If you believe the leaked texts were real (and I do), Abby's arms were not spread out and over her head. Amazing work! If the father was an underage boy, Im not sure anyone cares. There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. Try harder. She was found in an ivory/white dress. James Chadwell, 43, was added as a suspect in 2021 after he was arrested and convicted for luring a nine-year-old girl to his home where he sexually assaulted and strangled her in his basement,20 miles from where Abby and Libby were murdered. This what first aroused LE suspicions of Mr. X. Also we have excellent sources inside the police with officers who are very close to the investigation. Some connection with Libby via geocaching. What that has to do with anything is not known. They seriously posted photos just so they could retain cool points. Your email address will not be published. In my experience, this points to chicanery. It could explain why there was such a drastic image change of BG from first sketch to second one. Hes in prison where he belongs. Thats why he has those Packers boots on. Is that also speculation? Abby may have been naked below the waist. Were their clothes found with the bodies at the crime scene? Investigators also believed photographs or videos were likely shot of the grotesque set-up to 'memorialize' the crime scene. I seem like the nicest guy youve met. What is this guy, another Zodiac? John Kelly has some good information. Almost zero. It is currently unclear what the. She recorded them for a good six minutes and definitely longer. Not everyone was tied lipped, there were some rumors and messages on sm. There is a difference between a scene that is staged and a scene that is posed, McCollum said. I hope he doesnt read here but I knew a Facebook group mod who was in contact with him and she felt he was either gay, an effeminate man, or a Beta, as she put it. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. Henceforth, he will be known as LE Source A. Police officers announced about the Delphi massacre. Have for a long time. Thomas Bruce, a former pastor, was charged with fatally shooting one woman and sexually assaulting two others at aCatholic Supply store in St. Louis, Missouri, in November 2018. But we know that binoculars were used in this crime because we have search warrants and binoculars are one of the things that are listed on the search warrants. Comment * document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a9ecdae37f37f9e5f76df75466de7fce" );document.getElementById("b83dbe3da2").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. The rejoinders also say that either he never lost his keys or he did and he called the wife to bring a spare, and she did, evidence being the police scanner. There was an early raid on the Indiana Packers plant in Delphi that was done by LE. 13, 2017. Chemicals used in an attempt to hide fingerprints. For the first time, the warrant reveals that they were killed by some type of weapon but the word is redacted in the document. Will be posted by Saturday, March 11th. Also his personality is nothing like Scott Alexander, some sock who is claiming to be LK on Facebook groups. I still have the pic. Video from one of the victim's phones shows a man on the trail wearing dark jacket and jeans. A chilling picture shows the daughter of the man arrested in connection to the Delphi bridge murders posing in the same spot where the teenage victims were last seen alive. Now, Im not a member of LE, and I have never claimed to have investigation experience, but I believe Im a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills. They always came home. As far as the serial killer theory goes, I believe there's a good chance BG is already a serial killer or someone who will one day be a serial killer. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? The trail in Delphi, Indiana, where Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017. Why would the police lie about where they found them tho that doesnt make sense. Detectives said that after the photo was taken, a man approached the girls and apparently told them to go down the hill.. Just thought I would steel you for that thought. The police cant prevent private citizens from searching on their own, and its my understanding that many did. Thank you! He could offend today in say, Ohio and offend in Illinois and be in his journey back home to commit more offenses. The murdered girls, who attended Delphi Community Middle School where they played saxophone and volleyball together, had visited the bridge before the day they died. Throughout their investigation, an important piece of evidence discovered on Germans phone has aided in their search. It was all over by 3:30 PM. I believe that came from the leaked DE texts, and I would really like to know if that has ever been confirmed by anyone in LE. Kelsi has been cleared. Twice in the the Evansdale Murders, LE thought they were certain that they had the right man. Also if Kegans not involved, then neither is the father. Garrett said he hopes investigators went to all of the local gun stores to see their records of sales of .40-caliber-type weapons. I am running into one issue with Mr. X. I was wondering if there might be a different thought on this. Thats good enough for us to be probative. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up. Numbers 1-4 were told to a retired detective who works with one of our team members us by an LE source close to the investigation. Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. Thanks again for the interesting and jaw dropping article!!! There is 0% chance they have anything anyways. Delphi, Indiana, police have been notoriously tight-lipped about the killings of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams since the first news conference after the girls were found dead in February 2017. 'I kill 8-year-old April Marie Tinsley. Hobbies: Raising goats, riding and fixing up Harley-Davidson motorcycles, very avid deer hunter, handicrafting wooden signs. I get the impression that LE thought that this officer was lying and were trying to offer him some protection. The girls bodies were discovered on his property - just1,400 from his house - and it was revealed over the summer that his alibi for the day of the murder did not line up. Isnt that logical. Id prefer stuff thats in the papers. It was all over by 3:30 sure takes a lot of the heat off of LE for calling off that search, amirite? We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. I would like to know if he has any motorcycle club affiliation, especially regarding a certain outfit with a reputation to be feared around that area? My understanding was that an FBI agent was visiting family in Delphi and assisted in the search when he heard about it (as it is a very small town, most people heard about the girls missing that night and the search the night they failed to return); FBI agent assists in search as essentially a volunteer, and when it becomes apparent by late night - early morning that there may be something more sinister than the girls simply getting lost, he assisted with request of local authorities (as is required unless it is w/in FBI jurisdiction, as this was not) with getting the FBI to the scene the next morning.
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